First off they don't fit true to size there and inch to big. There nice well the left one is the right one is bowing up. I'm thinking I should have not gotten these! These boots Luthers are really making poor styles and Craftsmanship is not top notch from a family who has been one of the pioneer family it's fading and that's with calenders home brands and boot barn as well. They look to bulky not sleek and sharp.